heckofabecca:

anghraine asked: heh, we are a meme enabling group! 001: Austen, 002: Darcy/Elizabeth, 003: Georgiana Darcy, 004: P&P/ATLA, 005: Aredhel, Galadriel, Tar-Ancalimë, Lúthien, Haleth

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Thanks for doing all of it! Heeeh, we agree about a lot (except Darcy’s ATLA element, lol, I never even considered earth for him). And yay, my rarepair now has three shippers :D

And I can assure you that your “Georgiana is always shy” unpopular opinion is genuinely unpopular. >_<

(I think the genderbend was who’d you cast in the role.)

fradine:

anghraine:

Ooh, Emma’s another one I love, I’m really glad to see her there :)

Haha she used to be THE favorite actually but then Mary happened sooo. They’re still head and shoulders above anyone else but I feel for Mary more than Emma.

Oh and since I’ve never asked before, how would you rank all the heroines?

I get that, and hmm, I haven’t done it in years, but probably:

(1) Emma, (2) Elinor Dashwood, (3) Anne Elliot, (4) Fanny Price, (5) Elizabeth Bennet, (6) Catherine Morland, (7) Marianne Dashwood, (8) Frederica de Courcy

It’s fanon that Elizabeth and Emma would get on really well, but I’m with you there. 

Heh. I have an inkling that Emma, Elizabeth and Mary would not get along. Not to indulge in any kind of stereotypical ‘pretty girls being catty towards one another’ nonsense (they have too high self-esteem for that), just… I think it’s canon that they appreciate a milder temperament (i.e. Emma and Harriet, Elizabeth and Jane, Mary and Fanny) and while their encounters would probably be really fun I can’t imagine them being friends.

Yeah. Pretty much all the people Elizabeth cares most about are much less … performative, I think, than all three of them are.

5 - I actually did give you my favourites, for the lols

Haha really? And no Elizabeth?

Elizabeth isn’t actually one of my favourites, as far as Austen characters go! I do like her, but I always have to battle a certain amount of residual irritation there!

ooh, a challenge!

First set:

(1) Lady Catherine, I actually adore Lady Catherine and have ever since her “well I don’t see any reason for entailing property away from daughters” moment coupled with “daughters are never of much consequence to their fathers” 

(2) Lady Bertram, not that bad

(3) Fanny Dashwood, at least entertaining

(4) Mrs Bennet, meh

(5) Mrs Norris, extremely well written, but horrible

Second set:

(1) Mary Crawford (surprise!)

(2) Emma Woodhouse

(3) Elinor Dashwood

(4) Anne Elliot (I think Anne is a more complex character than Elinor, but idk, I just like Elinor and Anne annoys me a little)

(5) Elizabeth Bennet (I like her a lot, but get overpowered by her stans and her sparkly witty charming delightfulness at times, especially since her mistakes and flaws are things I happen to find irritating)

fradine:

I’m gonna do 001/004/005 first since 002/003 require some ~serious thinking~

001 | Austen

• Favorite character: as a person: Mary Crawford, as a character: Emma Woodhouse
  
• Least Favorite character: I… never thought about this actually :D. But probably Edward Ferrars. Or Frederick Wentworth but it’s an irrational hatred.
  
• 5 Favorite ships (canon or non-canon): Henry/Mary Crawford, John/Fanny Dashwood, Henry/Mary/Edmund/Fanny/Tom/Maria/Julia, Mrs. Norris/Dr. Grant, Darcy/Mary Crawford
  
• Character I find most attractive: Mary/Darcy/Knightley/Henry Tilney
  
• Character I would marry: Um no haha. There’s like one fictional character I could imagine (maybe) spending my life with but not an Austen character
  
• Character I would be best friends with: A more extrovert Anne Elliot, or Charlotte Lucas
  
• a random thought: I can’t imagine any of her characters having sex
  
• An unpopular opinion: Mansfield Park is the easiest to read out of all her novels
  
• my canon OTP: John/Fanny Dashwood
  
• Non-canon OTP: eh, Henry/Mary, but it’s not like I think about them in terms of ‘canon-ness’
  
• most badass character: um, ‘badass’ isn’t a word I associate with any Austen characters
  
• pairing I am not a fan of: Brandon/Marianne, Edward/Elinor, Henry/Fanny, Anne/Wentworth
  
• character I feel the writers screwed up (in one way or another): Emma. Not ‘screwed up’ per se, just.. all the missed opportunity :((
  
• favourite friendship: Henry/Mary ♥
  
• character I want to adopt or be adopted by: I want to be adopted by Darcy as his sister :D
  

004 | Emma/P&P

Emma/Elizabeth lololol but mostly because I’m pretty sure they’d hate each other

005 | You gave me most of my favorites already haha

1. Mary Crawford
2. Emma Woodhouse
3. Henry Tilney
4. Fitzwilliam Darcy
5. Lady Susan Vernon (I’m only like halfway through the book though so this might change)
   

Ooh, Emma’s another one I love, I’m really glad to see her there :)

I’m not sure I hate Wentworth and Edward, but I also tend to dislike them.  Also, I think you may be the only other person I know who also likes Darcy/Mary! (And heh, I used to scandalize the fandom by saying that I’d much much rather be Darcy’s sister than his love interest.)

It’s fanon that Elizabeth and Emma would get on really well, but I’m with you there. 

5 - I actually did give you my favourites, for the lols

Insofar as Georgiana Darcy could dislike anyone who had not personally injured her or her family, she disliked the Crawfords. Mr Crawford was not duplicitous, as Wickham had been; there was something open and straightforward about his charm, his consciously pleasing address, but he made her remember, and she hated remembering.

Miss Crawford did not remind her of anyone, but Elizabeth disliked her, which was enough for Georgiana—Elizabeth’s judgment, unlike her own, could not err.

He seemed to be about four or five and twenty, was rather tall, had a pleasing countenance, a very intelligent and lively eye, and, if not quite handsome, was very near it. His address was good, and Catherine felt herself in high luck.

A conversation from earlier today reminded me of this fic - a Pride and Prejudice genderswap fic with m!Elizabeth, f!Darcy, and everyone else per canon. It takes place towards the end of the  timeline.

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Elizabeth, still more affected, was earnest and solemn in her reply; and at length, by repeated assurances that Mr Darcy was really the object of her choice, by explaining the gradual change which her estimation of him had undergone, relating her absolute certainty that his affection was not the work of a day, but had stood the test of many months suspense, and enumerating with energy all his good qualities, she did conquer her father’s incredulity, and reconcile him to the match.

Henry had lain awake for hours, thinking of—among other things—how on earth he was to introduce the subject of his impending marriage to his father. Not, of course, that a man of five and twenty needed permission to marry any woman he chose, much less a man of five and twenty with his family’s estate entailed upon him, but he knew Mr Bennet would disapprove of the object of his choice, would be made unhappy, even. Of course that could not compare with the joy of Catherine’s acceptance, but - he was sorry that he, his father’s favourite, would likely be paining him as much as Lydia had, and could not help but wish for Mr Bennet’s blessing.

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ikkinthekitsune said: 

I meant that it was my first time reading Pride and Prejudice, actually (I tend to fail at expressing myself in a limited character count). It seems kind of sad that fandom is better at details than lit-crit, though!

Ohhh! I was wondering what Project Gutenberg had to do with anything, lol. That’s awesome! I wouldn’t have thought it would be your thing, exactly, but I hope you liked it :)

Fandom definitely gets some things really really wrong, but they do tend to be able to spell the characters’ names right and remember their ages - and, in all fairness, there’s a history of more nuanced arguments than are seen in maaaaany articles, like about whether Elizabeth intended to marry for love or not - it’s a common interpretation, but never stated in the novel, and  there’s a sizable contingent that thinks she’d have been quite happy to marry for respect, like, and a decent income. At the same time, ofc, there’s perfectly inane arguments over appearance, like all the people who feel the need to inform me that any all iterations of Darcy MUST and SHALL look like Colin Firth, yes even my fic where he’s a blue-eyed woman.

ladyoliviers:

[aggressively waits for a proper adaptation of Mansfield Park.]

Off-Tumblr, the question I probably get asked the most often is “have you seen the Lizzie Bennet Diaries? What did you think?”

I think it’s okay. During the first half, when I liked it the most, I can’t help but notice that something I seemed to be saying quite a bit was “I really like xyz, Elizabeth’s a bit off but she always is, and these other things are so great.” Towards the end, I found myself saying, “I don’t like xyz AT ALL and Lizzie is really starting to bother me now.”

But really, it wasn’t Lizzie-as-Lizzie that bothered me. It was Lizzie-as-Elizabeth, and without getting into too much detail, it’s the same thing that bothers me about how Elizabeth is often adapted, whether in fic or adaptations or lit-crit. When Elizabeth is just another figure in the line of feisty heroines, largely or entirely undistinguished from the others, her anger and defiance become the cornerstones of her character; often they become her entire character. 

And the thing is, Elizabeth’s anger - when she feels it - is very real. And her defiance of various other people, most of whom have either institutional power or personal power over her, is real. But those things are only a small part of her inner life. Here are some others that seem to get overlooked.

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