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borgevino:

HOW TO KING: A CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN HAL AND LOKI, part 2.

Loki,

To begin with. Let me just say to you that all of that is awful and I am so sorry.  To be the son of a king is hard enough; to be the not-son of a sleeping king must be unimaginably difficult.

But first things first.  Kingship advice because I have learned a WHOLE FUCKING LOT from watching my dad and Richard.  If you let Thor back into Asgard, he still won’t have his power, right?  So he’ll just be running around being the older son with all his charisma and his friends while you’re trying to king.  That will not bode well for you.  Everyone will want you to step down and let him have the throne.  Right now, you are the rightful king—in order to keep any semblance of control, you can’t admit competitors to the throne.  Sif etc. will not be happy about this.  Let them be unhappy about it.  It’s their problem, not yours.  You’re reminding me of both Richard and my dad right now—not that I think you’re going to be deposed!—because you’ve got a much more popular (SORRY, sorry, but you know this is true) competitor for the throne coming back (that’s the Richard part) and you don’t seem to think you deserve the throne (that’s the my dad part).

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epistolary hal and loki fic! this is a thing that exists in the world

gwenbasil:

Man I ship these two. Like, real old fashioned shipping. Where I JUST WANT THEM TO BE HAPPY in the middle of the horrible power imbalance political circumstances and Henry’s inability to be fully human all the time, I just want to read the shortfic where for a moment they are at peace with their lives.

Particularly Katharine. KAAATHERINE. MY FOREVER GIRL.

anghraine:

harry-le-roy:

Time to talk about Exeter, woo hoo! I think one of the most successful elements of Thea Sharrock’s Henry V was how effectively she capitalized on the medium of film to create intimate, insightful character studies, and Exeter is an excellent example of that.


Take it, God, for it is none but thine!
The Hollow Crown, Henry V

Take it, God, for it is none but thine!

The Hollow Crown, Henry V

butilovefire:

anghraine:

poins:

SO I went and re-read bits of the beginning of Henry V and due to my new MUCH BLEAKER outlook on Henry and his overall worth as a human being (SPOILERS: he is the most manipulative) I have outlined what I see as his motivations for invading France.

To distract everyone who might decide to commit…

Oh, I really liked this, but I do slightly disagree on the third count. I absolutely agree that Hal is super-manipulative and pretty much always seeing himself as he’s seen, calculating the effect he’ll have, but I don’t think that completely negates the possibility that there’s occasionally a happy coincidence between what he says and what he really feels. I mean, I don’t think he’s a soulless monster, but that he exploits his own emotions as readily as anyone else’s. e.g., I think he is genuinely outraged by the Dauphin’s flagrant disrespect, and he was already planning to invade France; he’s using his own anger to further his plan.

So I definitely agree that he keeps coming back to God in that speech, but I think it’s at least partially his own mental preoccupation. One of the very few occasions where he speaks without performing to an audience is an impassioned prayer. I think it’s most likely that he is intensely religious (and intensely guilty over Richard), well beyond the demands of his public image. I don’t think that’s the reason why he wants clerical approval—that’s just shifting responsibility—but it is the reason he keeps circling back to the point, hammering at it into redundancy.

Great post, poins! I also agree with anghraine’s perspective on the point of Hal’s relationship with divine right. 

That’s part of why the tennis balls scene is one of my favorites. It’s one of the only times where what Henry-the-king wants to do and what Henry-the-man wants to do are the same thing, and then the French show up to metaphorically slap him across the mouth and dare him to do it! So his political and religious and personal motivations collide, and I think they’re all equally genuine - it’s not that he doesn’t Have Feels, it’s just that they are subordinate to his will. One of the things I love about Henry is that, as anghraine said, he uses himself as purposefully and with as much calculation as he uses anyone else. 

MY FEELINGS ABOUT HENRY CAN BASICALLY BE BOILED DOWN TO:THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS YESIS HENRY AN ICE-COLD MOTHERFUCKER OR A PASSIONATE HEROIC WARRIOR-KING?YESDOES HAL SEE THE PEOPLE AS WORTHY OF HIS LOVE AND DEVOTION OR AS DISPOSABLE BITS OF MOVING CLAY?DOES HENRY LOVE KATE OR IS HIS SUIT A POLITICAL GAME WHEREIN THE POWER DISPARITY RENDERS HER CONSENT BASICALLY MEANINGLESS?LOL HAL I SEE YOU CREEPING INTO MY TAGSAPPROPRIATE USE OF MULTIPLE NAMES IS APPROPRIATEYOU CONTAIN MULTITUDES YOU GLORIOUS MOTHERFUCKER

butilovefire:

poins:

ambrmerlinus:

poins:

so I have made The Shittiest Gif Known To Man to illustrate a rant.  IT IS THE WORST GIF, UGH, I AM ANNOYED AT MYSELF, but I needed to make it and then it DIDN’T WORK OUT but idgaf because this is a thing that NEEDS TO BE SAID.
I saw someone earlier say something along the lines of ‘omg that hug from the old guy at the end was super awkward, like voldemort hugging draco lolol’
NO
NO IT WAS NOT AWKWARD
I have a lot of feelings about westmoreland, okay, because westmoreland has been QUIETLY WATCHING hal’s entire journey.  he is THERE for ‘I have seen riot and dishonor stain the brow of my young Harry’ and ‘call mine Percy….his, Plantagenet’ of Henry IV.  he’s THERE for ‘I will redeem all this on Percy’s head!’; for ‘I will try fortune with him in a single fight!’; for Hal’s victory over Hotspur.  he is IN THE ROOM for Hal’s last conversation with his father and watches the dying king crown his wayward son.  he sees Henry V turn away falstaff and accept the Lord Chief Justice.  he watches the war in france as it progresses—the speech at harfleur, the tired uncertainty of the young king, the dying men—and he has just heard harry say ‘but if it be a sin to covet honor, i am the most offending soul alive.’
this man is the last father figure harry has.  this man has watched him grow from a seemingly unredeemable eastcheap drunk to a daring and effective king.  with this hug, he is wordlessly saying, ‘i am proud of you.  your father would have been proud of you.  you have done well.’
there is nothing at all awkward about this hug.

I would say it’s a little awkward, but not in the Voldemort/Draco sense.
It’s awkward because no one touches the King without his explicit permission. The King is not someone you shake hands with, he is not someone you high-five, and for most people, he is not someone you give a spontaenous victory hug to. The King is ordained by God, etc. etc. no touchy the King.
However, considering that the English were not supposed to survive this fight and yet emerged victorious, and for all the reasons poins pointed out above, Westmoreland is a little overcome by this and breaks protocol in a big way. I sincerely doubt Henry V has been touched so intimately since he left Eastcheap. Furthermore, Westmoreland knows protocol like nobody’s business, and even as his better judgment is leaving him in favor of “hug Hal now! because we survived! and he’s grown so much! and oh God my emotions!” he’s probably having a moment in his head of “oh shit did I just hug the King? BACKPEDAL! BACKPEDAL!”
So, yeah, it’s awkward, but in a way that makes it that much more meaningful.

YEP THAT, THAT’S WHAT I MEANT, FLAWLESS COMMENTARY
that just makes it even better
now i have this urge to go through the entire hollow crown and take notes on every time someone touches a king
also remembering henry iv’s absolute refusal to let westmoreland help him walk/stand/etc

YOU GUYS ARE SO AWESOME. I love that when I’m away from the Internet for more than five minutes I know I’ll come back to delicious commentary. And I’m going to jump in to say that this relates to one of my absolute favorite acting choices in the whole series, which is when Henry IV advances on Hal and snatches the crown off his head in the stolen crown scene. Hiddleston’s body language is extraordinary in that moment. Because Hal leans forward and raises his hands in entreaty as Henry advances, but he doesn’t actually touch Henry by volition. Some contact occurs because of Henry’s aggression, but Hal (who is literally trapped by the throne, the crown, and the king, MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT AT SOME POINT, TOO) clearly retreats as far as he is physically able because you do not touch the king.
It’s only after Hal has made his case (Accusing it, I put it on my head, / To try with it, as with an enemy / That had before my face murder’d my father) and Henry has accepted his reasoning (O my son, / God put it in thy mind to take it hence, / That thou mightst win the more thy father’s love, / Pleading so wisely in excuse of it!) in terms that explicitly prioritize their father/son relationship over the crown itself that Hal touches Henry as any other son might touch their dying father, offering comfort and support.
(AAAAAARGH THAT PART MADE ME SOB LIKE A BABY AND NOW I’M GETTING ALL TEARY-EYED AGAIN. IT SAYS SO MUCH ABOUT HOW HAL AND HENRY AND HOW COMPLETELY THE ISSUE OF KINGSHIP AND SUCCESSION DEFINED THEIR FATHER/SON RELATIONSHIP. BRB WEEPING FOREVER, NEVER GONNA BE OVER THE HOLLOW CROWN, ETC.)
Just like this moment, it’s an amazing wordless testament to the power of the crown, and how much you can convey in choosing when the characters respect the protocol associated with it and when they are moved to ignore it. So, yeah, long story short: this part made me cry, too. It’s beautiful because the awkwardness arises from emotions too powerful to be constrained by manners.

butilovefire:

poins:

ambrmerlinus:

poins:

so I have made The Shittiest Gif Known To Man to illustrate a rant.  IT IS THE WORST GIF, UGH, I AM ANNOYED AT MYSELF, but I needed to make it and then it DIDN’T WORK OUT but idgaf because this is a thing that NEEDS TO BE SAID.

I saw someone earlier say something along the lines of ‘omg that hug from the old guy at the end was super awkward, like voldemort hugging draco lolol’

NO

NO IT WAS NOT AWKWARD

I have a lot of feelings about westmoreland, okay, because westmoreland has been QUIETLY WATCHING hal’s entire journey.  he is THERE for ‘I have seen riot and dishonor stain the brow of my young Harry’ and ‘call mine Percy….his, Plantagenet’ of Henry IV.  he’s THERE for ‘I will redeem all this on Percy’s head!’; for ‘I will try fortune with him in a single fight!’; for Hal’s victory over Hotspur.  he is IN THE ROOM for Hal’s last conversation with his father and watches the dying king crown his wayward son.  he sees Henry V turn away falstaff and accept the Lord Chief Justice.  he watches the war in france as it progresses—the speech at harfleur, the tired uncertainty of the young king, the dying men—and he has just heard harry say ‘but if it be a sin to covet honor, i am the most offending soul alive.’

this man is the last father figure harry has.  this man has watched him grow from a seemingly unredeemable eastcheap drunk to a daring and effective king.  with this hug, he is wordlessly saying, ‘i am proud of you.  your father would have been proud of you.  you have done well.’

there is nothing at all awkward about this hug.

I would say it’s a little awkward, but not in the Voldemort/Draco sense.

It’s awkward because no one touches the King without his explicit permission. The King is not someone you shake hands with, he is not someone you high-five, and for most people, he is not someone you give a spontaenous victory hug to. The King is ordained by God, etc. etc. no touchy the King.

However, considering that the English were not supposed to survive this fight and yet emerged victorious, and for all the reasons poins pointed out above, Westmoreland is a little overcome by this and breaks protocol in a big way. I sincerely doubt Henry V has been touched so intimately since he left Eastcheap. Furthermore, Westmoreland knows protocol like nobody’s business, and even as his better judgment is leaving him in favor of “hug Hal now! because we survived! and he’s grown so much! and oh God my emotions!” he’s probably having a moment in his head of “oh shit did I just hug the King? BACKPEDAL! BACKPEDAL!”

So, yeah, it’s awkward, but in a way that makes it that much more meaningful.

YEP THAT, THAT’S WHAT I MEANT, FLAWLESS COMMENTARY

that just makes it even better

now i have this urge to go through the entire hollow crown and take notes on every time someone touches a king

also remembering henry iv’s absolute refusal to let westmoreland help him walk/stand/etc

YOU GUYS ARE SO AWESOME. I love that when I’m away from the Internet for more than five minutes I know I’ll come back to delicious commentary. And I’m going to jump in to say that this relates to one of my absolute favorite acting choices in the whole series, which is when Henry IV advances on Hal and snatches the crown off his head in the stolen crown scene. Hiddleston’s body language is extraordinary in that moment. Because Hal leans forward and raises his hands in entreaty as Henry advances, but he doesn’t actually touch Henry by volition. Some contact occurs because of Henry’s aggression, but Hal (who is literally trapped by the throne, the crown, and the king, MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THAT AT SOME POINT, TOO) clearly retreats as far as he is physically able because you do not touch the king.

It’s only after Hal has made his case (Accusing it, I put it on my head, / To try with it, as with an enemy / That had before my face murder’d my father) and Henry has accepted his reasoning (O my son, / God put it in thy mind to take it hence, / That thou mightst win the more thy father’s love, / Pleading so wisely in excuse of it!) in terms that explicitly prioritize their father/son relationship over the crown itself that Hal touches Henry as any other son might touch their dying father, offering comfort and support.

(AAAAAARGH THAT PART MADE ME SOB LIKE A BABY AND NOW I’M GETTING ALL TEARY-EYED AGAIN. IT SAYS SO MUCH ABOUT HOW HAL AND HENRY AND HOW COMPLETELY THE ISSUE OF KINGSHIP AND SUCCESSION DEFINED THEIR FATHER/SON RELATIONSHIP. BRB WEEPING FOREVER, NEVER GONNA BE OVER THE HOLLOW CROWN, ETC.)

Just like this moment, it’s an amazing wordless testament to the power of the crown, and how much you can convey in choosing when the characters respect the protocol associated with it and when they are moved to ignore it. So, yeah, long story short: this part made me cry, too. It’s beautiful because the awkwardness arises from emotions too powerful to be constrained by manners.

poins:

harry-le-roy:

poins:

harry-le-roy:

OH MY FUCKING GOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

IN CASE YOU’RE WONDERING WHERE THAT PRIMAL SCREAMING IS COMING FROM

IT’S ME

MOTHERFUCKING TENNIS BALLS

MOTHERFUCKING ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH (I LEGIT HAD TO PAUSE IT I THOUGHT I WAS…


82 / 100 photos: Tom Hiddleston

82 / 100 photos: Tom Hiddleston