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Juuust wanted to say "Hurray!" because King Lear being better than Hamlet is something I get into a lot of arguments about. So, "Hurray!" Hope you have a great day!

Thank you very much! And I’m so glad there are others <3

(I don’t talk about Lear at all, I don’t write about it, but I love it a lot)

electricalice:

shredsandpatches:

lilliburlero:

magpieandwhale:

dipthatpen:

Everyone fill out your brackets here for IDES OF MARCH MADNESS! Then we will know once and for all which Shakespeare play is The Best, concluding several centuries of debate. 

Oh boy oh boy oh boy, do I have a lot of feelings about these!

Goddammit make me choose between Henry V and Richard II, why don’t you?  I mean, in some ways it’s easy, it’s Richard, but my faaaaandoooooom.

I am afraid I’m gonna be legitimately annoyed if Richard II doesn’t win its round ;)

you managed to put henry V and richard II against each other in the beginning. that’s pure evil.

Hamlet vs Lear??????

electricalice:

shredsandpatches:

lilliburlero:

magpieandwhale:

dipthatpen:

Everyone fill out your brackets here for IDES OF MARCH MADNESS! Then we will know once and for all which Shakespeare play is The Best, concluding several centuries of debate. 

Oh boy oh boy oh boy, do I have a lot of feelings about these!

Goddammit make me choose between Henry V and Richard II, why don’t you?  I mean, in some ways it’s easy, it’s Richard, but my faaaaandoooooom.

I am afraid I’m gonna be legitimately annoyed if Richard II doesn’t win its round ;)

you managed to put henry V and richard II against each other in the beginning. that’s pure evil.

Hamlet vs Lear??????

Shakespeare- just ALL of it. Go.

push off a cliff: oh wow umm so, so many options. the world would probably be a better place if someone had pushed Edmund of Gloucester off a cliff, though I like him a lot :P

marry: uhhhh honestly nobody springs to mind, I love Hal dearly but no. Maybe Titania?

set on fire: the cast of Hamlet. >_>

be roommates with: Celia from As You Like It! I bet she’d be super nice.

nanyoky:

electricalice:

no but, Henry V.

I just saw a graphic that put him into Gryffindor….?!?!? (not reblogging it because I don’t really want to bother the author of the graphic since it is really not something worth arguing about because everyone can have their opinion) But…. there are really really few shakespearean characters that embodies slytherin traits as much as Henry V does…?! which gryffindor traits can you see in him? the fact that he’s semi-good in a sense? the fact that he leads armies?! 

this Ravenclaw would disagree with that characterization of Slytherin ;)

BUT

DID SOMEONE MENTION THE ETERNAL WRONGNESS OF GRYFFINDOR HAL

because it is eternally wrong and my single biggest pet peeve with THC fandom

#mythmaking 601 as taught by henry plantagenet, #best slytherin or best slytherin?, #the one that actually gets people to like him, #i mean wow, #there are a lot of great shakespeare villains but they always lose, #by being REALLY TERRIBLE PEOPLE, #hal is just as cunning and ambitious but he gets that whole people should identify with you and want you to succeed thing, #morally ambiguous but never muahahahaha eviiiiil, #my doomed yet wholly triumphant bb

I like to reblog Sorting photosets out of general principle, but I just can’t with the ones that peg Hal/Henry V as not a Slytherin

(but especially a Gryffindor)

#pretty sure i blogged about this the last time that photoset passed my dash, #but COME ON, #hal is such a slytherin

#hal is the most perfect slytherin to ever plot his way into power, #NO AND THEN YOU PRETEND TO BE A WASTREL SO THAT YOUR FUTURE COURTIERS WILL UNDERESTIMATE YOU, #everyone will be so impressed by your miraculous reformation that you’ll seem absolutely amazing, #and they’ll fall under your sway and contribute to the image that you’ve deliberately constructed all the more easily, #FOR GREAT JUSTICE, #hmm total gryffindor amirite

Henry V

"Your quarrel, righteous? It was naught but cold policy, a pretext to distract your lords, and topple the king of my choice, as your father before you. And as he, you shall feel my wrath. You shall suffer for your unrighteous rebellion, for your blasphemy, for the deaths of your people, suffer into eternity.”

No, Harry wanted to say, no, I did believe—I was convinced you were with me, Lord! I had no thought that we would be slaughtered as we were! But the words that so easily sprang to his tongue in life vanished when he looked on the face of God.

In which I rave about Shakespeare. And Plantagenets.

ilmarien:

Oh, right!

I am probably going to need to do another viewing before I really make my mind up on the matter, and maybe take a look at other versions as well (though I really ought to find the other Henriad and Julius Caesar first), because right now I kind of vaguely see both interpretations at the same time. And I’m probably a little bit resistant to the complete liesmith conception because I worry that I’m just conflating my Hiddleston roles.

Aha! This has been my reading since well before Hiddleston was cast (I fell for Hal when 1 Henry IV was assigned reading in a college class), so that’s never been much of a concern for me. I was only vaguely aware of Hiddleston before THC, heh.

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In which I rave about Shakespeare. And Plantagenets.

ilmarien:

anghraine:

ilmarien:

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Wholeheartedly seconding the rec! I watched it last year, and it remains my favourite production of my favourite plays. Glad to see some crossing of the fandom streams :D

Eeee, I feel so late to the party! (Yes, I am totally looking through your old Hollow Crown posts now.) Really, when it comes to Silmarillion + Shakespeare + Medieval history, I’m surprised there’s not more crossing of the streams than there is!

It does make a certain kind of sense! Though ofc Tolkien didn’t like Shakespeare, lol.

I should specify about Hal - I have really ridiculous reasons sometimes for liking or disliking historical figures, and Henry V gets blacklisted partly because of that unfortunate business with Charles d’Orléans. The whole “I’m going to hold you prisoner without ransom for 25 years because you’re too high in the French succession” thing, which as far as I can tell, was really not okay even by Medieval standards. And then there’s the whole slaughter of prisoners at Agincourt thing, and ugh, I am so not impressed.

I find him a fascinating figure and certainly impressive, but certainly ruthless and not morally admirable.

I do definitely like the way Shakespeare characterizes him, though, even if historically I rage at the guy. Loved him as a prince, loved the character development throughout. I guess it’s one of those “things we like in fictional characters vs. things we don’t condone in real life” deals, and Henry V cuts across that distinction in ugly ways.

Well, there’s that, and there’s also the fact that Shakespeare’s is radically different than actual!Henry V. (I tend to regard history as at most an expanded universe for Shakespeare tbh.)

Actually, when I said I disagreed, it wasn’t with liking rl Henry V or not, but over what Hal is up to 1 Henry IV. I am firmly of the opinion that Hal, though he has some genuine feelings towards the Eastcheap crowd, is clearly using them and deliberately constructing his own legend at the age of sixteen, and that pretty much drives everything else I think about him.

In which I rave about Shakespeare. And Plantagenets.

ilmarien:

I recently finished watching the Hollow Crown (i.e., the BBC’s rendition of Shakespeare’s Henriad), and I’ll start by saying that if you haven’t watched it or aren’t currently watching it on PBS, you should. It’s a shame that Shakespeare’s histories get largely ignored, because frankly, I think these plays are at least at the level of the greatest of his tragedies, if not higher still.

Though I’m a rabid fan of the Plantagenet dynasty in general. The time period between Edward III and Edward IV had been, admittedly, a bit of a blur to me before I watched these and figured things out. My obsessions were always more the conquest of Wales, attempted conquest of Scotland, and then the War of the Roses, but Richard and the Henry’s… yeah, they’re now added to that list.

So, anyone who’s familiar with Shakespeare is probably aware of how big he is on the concept of just authority. Really, though, I think the Henriad blows everything else out of the water when it comes to the themes of authority and rebellion, as it should, given the material. Politics and consequences, and my God, the Bard is still the best ever, I swear.

Anyone, especially those of you in the Silmarillion fandom who follow me, if you’re not familiar with these works: they’re about rebellion, and cousin versus cousin, and betrayal and broken trusts, and feuds that will reawaken to utter ruin generations into the future, and what a king can and cannot demand of his people, and blood guilt. And they’re brilliant.

Spoilers for everything below the cut. I am going to gush at length.

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Wholeheartedly seconding the rec! I watched it last year, and it remains my favourite production of my favourite plays. Glad to see some crossing of the fandom streams :D