“it makes me sad to see the fandom overanalyzing LoK so much, criticizing it for what it isn’t rather than enjoying it for what it is.”
This is such a ridiculous sentiment, and one that I think any creator with sense would dread. For a start, criticism isn’t ‘overanalyzing’. Looking at something and saying, ‘I did not enjoy this, this and this’ is not ‘going in too deep’ or whatever; it’s saying, hey, this is trying to acheive one thing or another and failing, and if they want to keep their consumer base happy, they need to change it. And that’s a consumer’s right! Because the people who watch LoK are essentially consumers, in the end.
Not only that, but the idea of ‘you should enjoy it for what it is and not wish it was something else’ seems almost… childish to me. It says you should never expect better if something has poor qualities, only that you should be overwhelmingly grateful for any good ones it has. No! That’s terrible! If someone writes an episode of a show poorly, you should absolutely say ‘hang on, this should be better’ if you want to.
Nobody gets better without criticism. Nobody works out what their fanbase wants without feedback. I’m not saying every single criticism ever is valid, but if your fanbase is saying ‘we really do not like this’ it is entirely possible you are doing something wrong.
I really like a lot of LoK. I also think LoK is hugely flawed, and yes, I criticise those flaws. I look at what the show could have been and criticise the show for not reaching that. And I don’t see why I should stop that. If I were a writer for this show, I’d not want anyone to stop doing that, personally. Criticism makes you better when it’s well thought out and this show’s fandom has some great points IMO.
LoK had issues with pacing and created some problematic implications in the process. That’s an issue. If it doesn’t bother you, fine. But when you put work out there for public consumption, it’s not unacceptable for people to give a bloody opinion on it.
tl;dr lok fandom stop acting like a five year old oh my god it’s okay to criticise things if they have problems, s e r i o u s l y
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When I was younger and stupider, I got mad over people doing shipping stuff because I thought they weren’t enjoying the work right. Then sometime later I realised they were just having fun their way, and most of them weren’t really under the impression that their shipping was likely to actually happen, in the same way most capes comics fantypes don’t expect Batman vs. Wolverine to become a thing. (Outside of occasional gimmicks.) It’s just one way to have fun with a piece. What I am saying with this is, those of us who like to pick a work apart ARE enjoying it for what it is! We just happen to be having fun opening it up and looking at its story guts and thinking about ways it could work differently, just like some folks have fun imagining how a relationship between Korra and Asami would go, or how a Korra vs. Kim Possible cage match would work out. There are all sorts of ways to enjoy a work, and it’s not terrible and folks aren’t doing it wrong if their way isn’t yours.
reblogging because sooz is as always flawless
oh okay one last thing before I get off the internet—
I’ve been thinking lately about tumblr, and how its mostly-female users appeal to over-the-top emotional language (e.g., my feels, i can’t, cries, ARGH, and variants thereof.)
And it’s interesting, because most of us exist in societies that see excessive emotion as worthy of ridicule, an indication of irrationality, and “hysteric.” Feelings have become feminized, and what is feminine is deviant, Other, lesser. Pathos used to be a valid argumentative strategy—now, an argument rooted in emotion isn’t just bad, it’s invalid. And what is invalid can be dismissed without thought. (It’s unworthy of thought.)
But on tumblr, emotion is linked to power. Explicitly so. Feels can kill, feels can hurt, feels drive the creation of graphics/meta/fic and fierce battles over canonicity or interpretations. Feels are the currency with which you buy your right to fannishness.
Our reaction to a society that dismisses emotion as baseless is to crank that shit up to eleven and make it the gate through which you must pass to enter the community.
we’ve weaponized emotion.
how cool is that?
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Someone tagged Silas Marner by George Eliot as 18th century.
Get the fuck out right now.
Must I marry your sister?
God send the wench no worse fortune! But I never said so.
OKAY. SO. Let’s talk a little about this scene. Look at Poins. No, not that part of Poins - no, up a little - no, that’s Hal, look back to the right - keeping going - okay, stop. There! See his expression? Yeah. That is pure fear on his face.
Because Poins is not a jolly, drunk, short-sighted sycophant like Falstaff. Poins is Hal’s brother, metaphorically and perhaps even literally! (Hahahaha, Hal never does anything half-heartedly, God love him. He’ll find a new dad and a new brother, too! He’ll die not one death, not a hundred deaths, not a thousand deaths, but a hundred thousand deaths before breaking the smallest parcel of his vow! He won’t just defeat Hotspur, he’ll try fortune with him in a single fight! And so on and so forth…) The reason this scene is set in The Greatest Sauna In This Or Any Other Land (apart from hot, half-naked people being enormously entertaining) is to visually establish the casual, brotherly, locker-room intimacy that the dialogue reflects in the text (where Hal goes on at some length about the state of Ned’s underwear). Poins is smart, witty, proud, and more than a little psychotic - in other words, he’s enough like Hal that he gets that Hal is an ice-cold motherfucker.
In fact, Poins is probably the only person on the planet who understands what Hal is capable of, who senses what Hal is going to become, because he is the only one Hal ever reveals himself to (out of a weird mix of respect, because Poins is totally his bro, and disdain, because Poins is totally not his bro. Hal, you unutterable shit, I love you so). Which is why his response, when he thinks Hal has perceived him to have crossed that unspoken line, is pants-shitting terror. My favorite thing about this scene is how Poins holds his expression even after Hal laughs the first time, because he knows that Hal’s going to check his response - it’s only after he apparently passes that test, and Hal laughs again, that Poins allows himself an uncomfortable smile.
OH MAN. THIS PRODUCTION IS KILLLLLLING ME.
I think it’s a mistake to anticipate Henry in the performance of Hal - and it’s a temptation Hiddleston resists admirably, imbuing even Hal’s most ~regal~ instances of pride and anger and sorrow with a youthful and unkingly focus on the personal and the immediate - but I think it’s really interesting (and perhaps even necessary, when adapting these plays to be part of a production of the entire tetralogy) for the director to highlight some instances of proto-Henry. No, ~sweet honey lord Hal~ wouldn’t have Poins killed for a bit of hopeful nonsense about his sister, especially not on Falstaff’s unreliable word…but in the not-too-distant future Henry V will hand another dear friend a damning letter, and things don’t go so well for ol’ Scroop (or Cambridge, or Grey, but Scroop’s is the betrayal that really stings). (That scene may not even be in Thea Sharrock’s Henry V, which would make the inclusion of this take on this scene all the better!)
What this reading of the scene ultimately highlights is that Henry’s ruthlessness, his capacity for brutality, his affection for ~the common man~ ever tempered by the fact that he does (and must, as king) ultimately use them like things - those traits didn’t magically spring into existence upon coronation. Hal was always like that. Which is why I love him the very best, and why his Eastcheap brethren would have been well-advised not to.
OMG I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUU
bolded because I DIDN’T CATCH THAT, HOW DID I NOT CATCH THAT, I BASICALLY HAVE THAT SPEECH MEMORIZED
Can we also talk about the speech Falstaff makes saying that Hal and Poins are exactly alike? This is a speech worth mentioning at this point. ”…and other gambol faculties he has that show a weak mind and a strong body, for the which the prince admits him; for the prince himself is such another. The weight of a hair will turn the scale between their avoirdupois.” [weights. i had to look that one up.]
I HAVE JUST RE-READ THE THING WITH SCROOP, I absolutely agree with what you have said, Henry does the exact same thing to them as he does to Poins in this scene. Gives them letters condemning them and then watches their reactions. I cannot imagine that scene won’t be in Henry V (if it isn’t I will DEFINITELY BE THE SADDEST). And LOOK AT THE DESCRIPTION OF SCROOP: “That thou didst bear the key of all my counsels,/That thou knew’st the very bottom of my soul,/That almost mightst have coined me into gold,/Wouldst thou have practiced on me for thy use?” He could have said the exact same thing to Poins. ”dude. are you just using me to gain some kind of advancement?”
And how many people does Hal actually talk to? about actual things? without getting yelled at first (a la his dad, Hal, your relationship with your dad is not the best)? Just Poins. I think this scene is where Hal and Poins both realize that, even if Poins hasn’t been using Hal to gain advancement or whatever, he totally could. Hence his immediate suspicion of Falstaff, and the spying expedition and its aftermath, and our later glimpses of Falstaff bragging that he’ll be a very important person under Henry V.
WOAH AND HEY, does the repetition of this scene on its differing scales mean that Henry is a better king because of his wild and splentive youth?
let’s say yes.
yes, good, perfect, hyperventilating at your flawless commentary.
UGH YES FALSTAFF’S SPEECH ABOUT HOW THEY’RE THE SAME AND THAT’S WHY THEY ARE BROS. And then his other speech, where he’s like GODDAMN THIS PRINCE JOHN IS A COLD-HEARTED SONOFABITCH. HAL WOULD PROBABLY BE LIKE THAT IF IT WEREN’T FOR THE INCIPIENT ALCOHOLISM. And yet Falstaff, despite seeing clearly that Hal is basically identical to the two most dangerous and ruthless young men in the kingdom, still thinks that he’s going to keep playing “You’re my real dad!” with Falstaff after he becomes king!!!! Oh, self-delusion, thy name is Falstaff. (Of course, self-delusion is closely related to self-creation, which is Falstaff’s whole thing, aaaaaaaand that brings us right back to Hal constructing himself as a man and as a king. FUCK OFF, SHAKESPEARE.)
oh i have SO MANY FEELS about how hal’s experiences affect his kingship. ugh i’m gonna need another text post and a shitload of shaking/screaming/crying gifs for that topic.